The Allman Brothers Band: 9/10 I can agree that, despite the deep and wide influence he had on many Rock stars, that Ray Charles himself was never marketed as or claimed to be a Rock and Roll performer. Todd Rundgren: 6/10 Level 3 ?? 2. Re: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 10:22:44 pm, Quote from: cheloLP on June 02, 2010, 10:18:57 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:17:05 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:31:51 pm, Quote from: t-mac357 on June 02, 2010, 11:38:30 pm, Privacy Notice/Your California Privacy Rights, Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15826 times). . 2015 The "5" Royales 14. BB King: 10/10 Again, just ANOTHER REASON why THE MIRACLES should be at Level 4 !!! 215. The Cars Lionel Richie (Level 1) Pat Benatar (Level 1) CCR: 9/10 After all, I am a huge "progressive rock" supporter, n'est-ce pas? Electric Light Orchestra - 1 Donna Summer (middle 3rd) " First, I would tack on some lesser known blues and R&B singers like Blind Lemon Jefferson, W.C. 121. 140. Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/2/2019 @ 04:20am. Level 5 is the top of the pyramid, literally and figuratively. Rage Against the Machine (Level 1 or 2) Why was the last minute of Game 6 so emotional? 165. 69. Can't answer in seven. Handy, Roy Brown, Charley Patton, Lightin Hopkins, Percy Mayfield, Big Mama Thornton and Cab Calloway as well as a few jazz singers like Ornette Coleman, Lee Morgan, and Bill Evens. 19. Her solo career wasn't any more impactful than any of the other artists on Level 1. Traffic: 7/10 James Brown & The Famous Flames: 10/10 The Four Tops: 10/10 They wrote 95 % of their OWN HITSplus hits for THE TEMPTATIIONS , MARVIN GAYE, MARY WELLS, THE MARVELETTES,and NUMEROUS OTHERS !! Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all." 57. On which levels do you think each of these artists belongs? Pink Floyd: 10/10 7. 146. Tupac "More Love" Kim Carnes, Paul Young, Barbara McNair, Mica Paris, The 5th Dimension, Rick Webb, Foster Sylvers. 1/10 = Not even worth of mention Black Sabbath Miles Davis Prince: 10/10 Deep Purple- 4 "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers , The T-Bones 216. Both won MVP. Carole King: 5/10 YOU TELL ME !!! Where would you change things up? 2005 Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. Top Gun If I wrote a serious short book on the updated Pyramid, I'd make use of the same 1:1 comparisons that Simmons did. The Beach Boys "The Tracks of My Tears " Linda Ronstadt, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Rivers, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Mongo Santamara, Martha and the Vandellas, Bryan Ferry, Bjrns Vnner (as Ser Jag Ut Att M Bra? Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? Even if she directly influenced the Riot Grrl scene. Depeche Mode (Level 2) "Save Me" The Undertones I'd say level 4 is also impossible for anyone not in the hall currently as well. 10. The Mamas and the Papas Jay-Z-3 but would also be fine with 4 if Eminem gets 4 as well. It's fine, but it's more of a BS pod than a true sequel (I'm of the belief that Simmons sort of lost his passion when ESPN fired him for criticizing Goodell). Rod Stewart: 8/10 LEVEL FOUR ? 1997 Bill Monroe James Brown. "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett . -U2 I agree The Miracles are definitely a Level-4 act and agree with every word of your post. ), Dolly Parton, Boyz II Men, Human Nature, among many others Aretha Franklin I meant *borderline. ), Posted by Scotty Mac on Friday, 09/14/2018 @ 23:07pm. We correct for the passage of time in a principled way, so we can fairly compare the significance of historical figures of different eras." -Hard to say. a lot of good years for inductions. I think he deserves the rank. U2: 10/10 44. Steve Miller: 3/10 Read our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy to get more information and learn how to set up your preferences. 183. 176. My hatred of him is well documented, but I objectively can't see him as anything more than a lower-tier Bob Dylan. 201. Both have had three great years. "Point It Out"' The Supremes and The Temptations. Level 2: 1. All I ask is that you don't put Bon Jovi or Journey in last place. Probably one of the innumerable sissy singer-songwriters (Joni Mitchell and James Taylor come to mind immediately). Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 21:17pm. Torae, and others. Were they just dominant at times? - I didn't change any rankings for anyone who retired before that year. Huh, forgot that the pyramids criteria was "how well does astrodog know the artist" Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 14:00pm, I'd simply move all the artists out of the 5th region, and sub-let a little space for myself. Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. Roy Orbison Run D.M.C. Janet Jackson: 9/10 "Darling Dear" The Jackson Five. . To tell you the truth, outside of 1950s rock 'n roll (which I will love to my dying days) and some later eras/genres of rock 'n roll, I'm growing increasingly bored with rock 'n roll music. It's just so overexposed and repetitive that I can no longer find any enjoyment in that type of music. Underrated by casual fans as a defensive player, but did make All-D in '18-'19. 16. Nicest: I'd like to think Buddy Holly would get this one, if he were still alive. "Whole Lotta Shakin' In My Heart (Since I Met You)" The Hellacopters, Marv Johnson. 97. All The Jurassic Park films Bobby Womack I did it anyways. Bird, 5. Needless to say, Young will be high on the short list (I'm limiting it 10 picks, as I'd rather not expend too much time on what I loathe). During a time period when Nirvana were pretty much single handedly destroying the metal scene, and metal kids were becoming grunge kids, they released the most iconic metal tune of all time, in an album that sold around 30 million copies. Ray Charles Dennis Rodman. Favorites: The Beatles, Elton John, Queen, CSN, Linda Ronstadt, Cat Stevens, The Beach Boys, Ruth Brown, Joni Mitchell. "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers [64], The T-Bones John Lee Hooker Even as he was on the downside of his career, he was still hitting huge shots that swung championships. Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 06:47am. You are pleased to answer anytime you want. 1993 Dinah Washington Joe Dumars. I don't see the influence or quality, honestly. Is it fair to swap players based on one series at the tail end of their careers? One thing I will say about Young's music is that his attempt at electronica in the early 1980s was completely laughable and ill-advised. Carly Simon: 6/10, Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 05:01am. "After All" The Supremes, The Marvelettes. Loudest other than metal: The Kinks The Miracles should be at Level 4. "I agree about John Lennon. 5/10 = Average/Borderline Chaka Khan 36. 2001 Bill breaks it all down with The Ringers Joe House. If you would like, I can document is influence on a great many artists. Yes I'd also argue that Judas Priest, LL Cool J and Kraftwerk deserve to be on the pyramid as they are in no way sidemen or pre-rock. The Cars: 7/10 22. The Miracles, Motown's first group, are the most covered Motown group of ALL TIME. -Weirdest? And in each role the actor shines with tools he says hes gained from poetry, his family, and yes, even clown class. The Animals Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:23pm, 2022 inductees: http://whoisbigger.com/entity/Category:Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees 128. Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/11/2013 @ 22:12pm, Rolling Stones below zeppelin and the beach Boys? 30. Dave Cowens, 35. Posted by GFW on Saturday, 05/25/2013 @ 15:16pm. ***. I would also move a few artists around like replacing Madonna with some other female singer like Liz Phair or Norah Jones, moving Elton John down a rank and putting Billy Joel there, moving Sam Cooke up a bit as well as Big Joe Turner and Fats Domino. 154. Journey: Influenced Bon Jovi. Chuck Berry. Too many people attach significance to his preaching without actually focusing on his music, which didn't exactly change the course of music. 13. target="_blank" title="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmoY83GCEAAeR7h.jpg:medium[/img]">https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmoY83GCEAAeR7h.jpg:medium[/img], Posted by FRL on Friday, 05/2/2014 @ 08:43am. Where does his beard rank among the NBAs greatest facial hairstyles ever? 80. John Lennon should be moved way, way down. "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. Mike Roberts WVEE-FM & WQMJ 2015 70. He was one of the first rock and rollers to incorporate politics and social issues and he mostly did that during his solo career. I'm coming up with a questionnaire/survey on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's inductees. Level 1: The Ventures You could even include acts who broke significant individual records (though, personally, I say no). Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid ABA All-Time Team NBA & ABA All-Star Game All-Star Game Selections by Player All-NBA and All-NBA Team Selections by Player All-Defensive Team Selections by Player NBA Referee Awards Greg Willard Spirit Award NCAA Season Awards AP Player of the Year Award John R. Wooden Award 78. Fats Domino They were the VANGUARD ACT of Berry Gordy's Motown empire. -------------------------------------------------- 87. You love him. 75. DEFINITELY !! Tupac Shakur: 10/10 Your Account; Logout; Login; Create Account; You're invited! Heart (high 3rd) Bon Jovi It would only make sense, since the next 4 are not perfect multiples of 12 anymore. My point is that there are many other people who influenced the influencers farther down on the pyramid. This website really needs to update the rock hall pyramid. Posted by Tommy Wimmer on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 01:42am. - This is going off the paperback version which includes everything up to the '09-'10 season. Replace "Were they just dominant at times?" Percy Sledge Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 My favorite inductees: Elton John, Billy Joel, Rush, Sam Cooke, Buddy Holly & The Crickets, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Eagles, Crosby, Stills, & Nash, Neil Young, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Doors and several others. Posted by John R.C. This pyramid, while not updated, has provided a lot of inspiration for my list that I'm currently writing: the Rock and Roll Hall of Famers ranked from best to worst. I'm sure that you all accept that INFLUENCE is one of the most important factors in Musical Greatness. 123. Lou Reed Nina Simone Not to be too much of a Ramones basher, but look at the bands they rated above. Nine Inch Nails-4, Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 02:11am, what i think the 2020 inductees should be in: That made for a conveniently proportionate pyramid: 12 acts in Level 5, 24 in Level 4, 36 in Level 3, 48 in Level 4 and 60 in Level 5. Martha and the Vandellas As for who I think next year will be: Nirvana, Deep Purple (long overdue, though I wouldn't complain if KISS went instead), some combination of The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Smiths, N.W.A., Chic, Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04/11/2013 @ 12:25pm. Bob Marley, too. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/04/ranking-every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-by-tiers.html If anything, some of them deserve to be a 4. Radiohead have been called the last important rock band by tons of people. And why couldnt it last? Established in 1957 by the Amateur Softball Association (ASA), the National Softball Hall of Fame and Museum is a permanent shrine to the men and women who played the game so well. I love this site and all the work you do. Heckthe first Motown act, PERIOD. 114. What;s the first song ANY kid learns on guitar?? Level 3 by Nash. Please keep comments relevant to the topic. "A Legend In Its Own Time" J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven"). Heart: 7/10 The Zombies Very, very influential among a myriad of genres and artists. One of the BIGGEST factors in determining that elusive factor called "Influence", is : "How many artists have covered your songs". 85. 21. A lot of the acts in Level 1 and 2 should be upgraded too. Jo Jo White, 108. The Clash Jimmy Cliff: 5/10 Ritchie Valens: 7/10 And to all of the rest of you, whether you are Miracles fans or NOT: 45. This is what this site is partly for, to share opinions and all. Oh Wait, those dimwhits on the election committee have overlooked them again! If you want to argue he was a shitty teammate, fine, but on talent and resume, he belongs in the Top 50. 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